Archive for May 16th, 2004

My brother Krishnadev Calamur (KD) , has written this extremely interesting article in the New Republic. we have been having a running debate on the elections. i am blogging some select quotes from our mails.

KD wrote to me on the day of the elections:

“you know the old joke about the definition of mixed emotions — abt the mother in law driving over a cliff in your brand new ferrari, i have a new definition:

bjp out — but sonia in. i know you’re going to kick my ass, but i think that family’s contributions to india have been so immense, they should not be asked to contribute anymore!!”

My response

Desh ki Neta ….. Sonia Gandhi
Amazing results. Modi Massacred. Naidu Neutered. Ram Naik beaten by Govinda, Manohar Joshi out, Murli Manohar Joshi out
If a democracy wants a dynasty is it a dynasty or a democratic choice.
The BJP has said it has no objections to Sonia being PM - though Sushma Swaraj said it will take her some time to get psychologically used to the idea. That family is the only thing that stands between Hindutva and India - and the RSS is too strong and too virulent, and the Congress without the family too weak.
End of the day KD, India wins - there is a left alliance with a fairly clear mandate - and a fairly clear way forward.She is a foreigner only for those who believe in a western concept of nationalism - the Indian concept of belonging is very different

KD’s response

ok i disagree. not with the results, which are heartening, but at your points, “If a democracy wants a dynasty is it a dynasty or a democratic choice.” the answer to me clearly is it is dynasty.
nehru himself warned of the tyranny of the majority and several instances in world history — hitler, who was voted to power, mussolini, who made the trains run on time — and umpteen others were the result of a popular mandate. so to use you logic there, it would be to ask, “if a democracy wants fascism, is it democracy or fascism.” the answer, clearly is fascism. with all due respect to mrs. g (and appa), she was voted in, and she took away civil rights during eemrgency. if she had been a poor widow from the middle of MP, i can’t see too many people voting for her. at least she had been politically groomed. i’m sorry, who is rahul gandhi? why did he have a ticket to contest? it’s complete rubbish. democracy is not merely people voting for one rogue over another, it’s about public service, and i’m not quite sure what these chaps have done to merit being elected. wrote a piece on the election for the new republic. it’s a pretty big deal to get published in it. (it’s my second piece for them). here’s the link.

love, kd

http://www.tnr.com/doc.mhtml?pt=vj9XEgrdWCmRiPTRE%2Fafqj%3D%3D


My response

congrats. neat article. u still have to send me the first one on the angry muslim. There are many reasons why the BJP lost - economy was just one part of it. have printed and given the article to amma. she is preening. rani sends you a big lick.

a) There was Gujarat - and their silence on the worst kind of communal targeting and violence.
b) there was targeting of other minorities - like the Christians. both communities came out on the day to vote
c) violence against SC/ST has been the most in the last 5 years. they too turned up on the day.
d) There was the drop in interest rates which meant that pensioners get less on their pensions
e) there was inflation. A cylinder of gas that cost 140 bucks 2 years ago, cost 260 bucks today. salaries are almost standard
f) there was stupid alliances. The person who recommended that the BJP dump DMK and go with AIDMK cost them, not just TN but the country. What is interesting is that every BJP ally except the Shiromani Akali Dal (SAD:) and AGP have been decimated
g) this is not just the poor voting against the government. it is also the middleclass and the youth. In Delhi there is a complete whitewash - the Congress has won all 7 seats. In mumbai it has won 6 out of 7 - Ram Naik and Manohar Joshi have lost from Mumbai. One to Govinda and the other to an unknown called Eknath Gaekwad. 25 ministers have lost their jobs.
h) For those of us, for whom India is shining - we made a call on the kind of country we want to live in. If Gujarat had not happened i might have just ended up voting NDA.
i) the entire India shining campaign boomeranged. It was the Indian crab syndrome. The concept fo shining is relative. so the feeling was why is it shining for them and not for me.
j) Modi was the star BJP campaigner. wherever he campaigned there was a backlash.
k) personal attacks against Sonia and family went down very badly. this is not the west. certain social “forms” are expected to be observed.

expecting his call to have a voice debate. i love technology:)

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16
May

What did Rummy Know?

   Posted by: gargi    in Uncategorized

In the modern American lexion Abu Ghraib has come to denote Pandora’s box. Each day a new set of revelations come out to turn your stomach.

Seymour Hersh’s new salvo from the New Yorker this week seems to imply that Mr.Rumsfield lied to Congress and that in fact he not only knew about the goings on in Abu Ghraib but he actually authorized them.
But. And there is a definite but here - there is a rationale for his decision. Apparently everytime an American soldier/operative has a “bad guy” in his sights - he has to call in to ask for permission to take him out. By the time permission came through the target had obviously vanished.

“…as many as ten times since early October, Air Force pilots believed they’d had senior Al Qaeda and Taliban members in their sights but had been unable to act in time because of legalistic hurdles. There were similar problems throughout the world, as American Special Forces units seeking to move quickly against suspected terrorist cells were compelled to get prior approval from local American ambassadors and brief their superiors in the chain of command.”

An incredibly bizzare custom for a nation at war - but then each country is entitled to its own idiosynchracies.

This propelled Rummy to set up his own version of a concentration camp - where intelligence agents could pretty well do what they wanted to get at the “truth”. Secret interrogation camps sprouted across Afghanistan. This worked well, because the US had already declared that Al Qaeda as terrorists were not covered by the Geneva Convention. However, with the occupation in Iraq going badly the system was transplanted to Abu Gharib. The rules here were different. The Geneva convention applies.

It seems that the US administration has lost its marbles since 9-11. Torture Camps and Death Squads that hitherto were a part of its Latin American Policy has now got transplanted to the Middle East.

I guess this is what the War for getting Democracy to Iraq means.

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16
May

The Rabid Right Resurfaces

   Posted by: gargi    in India

With the elections over, and the mukhota being rejected - the raving right has decided that the only way it will grab power is by moving further right of a scale that most people already thought was fairly extreme.

The enfant terrible of the Sangh Parivar Govindacharya has objected to Sonia becoming PM. Sushma Swaraj is threating to leave Parliament rather than address Sonia Gandhi as Madam Prime Minister. Uma Bharati has threatened a national movement to prevent her from taking over.

Never mind the fact that the voters had no issues with her leading the country. They have the gall to object to Sonia Gandhi’s origins but behave in a way that flouts the wishes of the people. I would rather a foreign born person who follows our ways than a bunch born here and out of touch with our customs.

With Vajpayee being put out to pasture, Venkaih Naidu likely to lose his job - the vultures are flocking to take his place. The three most likely candidates have put their hat in the ring.

Other lunatics include Sanjay Nirupam -who said that they had “extended the hand” of friendship to Muslims who rejected it. and now it is time to revive the Hindutva Agenda.

As i blogged a few days ago in Kaun Banega Pradhan Mantri (before the results) - the pro’s and con’s of various political leaders becoming PM. Here is Sonia’s

Sonia Gandhi: the leader of the Congress, a woman, relgious minority and foreign born to the boot. We can shut up all against outsourcing by electing her as PM:). Pro’s Would have one the elections against all odds. If she can manage Congress infighting, managing an alliance would be a cake walk Con’s: The RSS, the Bajrang Dal and others in the raving right would.spill onto the streets and prevent governance.

It will be truly interesting to see how this game is played out.

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