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		<title>By: blog.myspace.com/convulsingarmadillo</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Sep 2006 23:33:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;!--%kramer-ref-pre%--&gt;[...] I&#039;ve spent several days composing a short research on gay lifestyle and relationships.&#160; However, what I found was completely unexpected.&#160; Firstly, lets deal with this word Anomie.&#160; The best explaination can be found here:  http://calamur.org/gargi/2005/09/30/india/religion-society-and-breakdown/ Now, with that out of the way, I can continue.&#160; Homosexality in this new day in age is in a sense of anomie.&#160; We are a culture who has broken away from the main stream.&#160; This has caused severe culture shock upon us.&#160; Our new culture is very young.&#160; We are still defining it.&#160; We have no religious beliefs for this particular culture.&#160; Most of us still try to cling to those beliefs that have condmened us.&#160; This has caused severe mental distress, which has caused drug addictions, suicides, permiscuity, and dissociation complexes.&#160; The question is, how can we come together as a culture and present ourselves in a better fashion?&#160; Will this come with time or are we doomed to keep living in this agony?&#160; Once i&#039;m done compiling the rest of my information, I will write my essay in a future blog.&#160; [...]&lt;!--%kramer-ref-post%--&gt;</description>
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		<title>By: gargi</title>
		<link>http://calamur.org/gargi/2005/09/30/religion-society-and-breakdown/comment-page-1/#comment-666</link>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Oct 2005 02:47:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Sand pebble
Durkheim, who i have quoted at the begining of this quote, is considered the father of modern sociology. And his work Suicide is replete with a great deal of data gathering and data analysis. And his interpretation of data was fairly spot on. So, i am not sure whether it is about sociologists or psychology. or whether it is about interpreting data into something sensible.

i find the study kind of silly as well. for a multitude of reasons. primarily because i find its cause and effect correlation slightly wonky. i find its cause and effect causality also wonky. so here is a work by an &#039;academic&#039; whose correlation and causality are both screwed:) So there isn&#039;t much left.

And i find it quite amazing that they have held neither parents, nor schools, nor the state - 3 institutions with which youngsters interact the most - responsible for breakdown in society. Rather, it is the role of the &quot;church&quot;. As far as media is concerned i am slightly ambivalent about the &#039;media effects&#039; theory. coz most criminals are shown as dead or caught. most heros/heroines are in steady long term relationships. most people who have abortions are shown as losers. most who consume drugs are shown the same. So i am not sure that they are conforming to media images. I am fairly sure that there is breakdown of society for two reasons:

a) there are those areas where there is little or no parental control
b) there are those areas where increasing fundamentalism is causing parents to exert too much control.

and both are contributing to deviancy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Sand pebble<br />
Durkheim, who i have quoted at the begining of this quote, is considered the father of modern sociology. And his work Suicide is replete with a great deal of data gathering and data analysis. And his interpretation of data was fairly spot on. So, i am not sure whether it is about sociologists or psychology. or whether it is about interpreting data into something sensible.</p>
<p>i find the study kind of silly as well. for a multitude of reasons. primarily because i find its cause and effect correlation slightly wonky. i find its cause and effect causality also wonky. so here is a work by an &#8216;academic&#8217; whose correlation and causality are both screwed:) So there isn&#8217;t much left.</p>
<p>And i find it quite amazing that they have held neither parents, nor schools, nor the state &#8211; 3 institutions with which youngsters interact the most &#8211; responsible for breakdown in society. Rather, it is the role of the &#8220;church&#8221;. As far as media is concerned i am slightly ambivalent about the &#8216;media effects&#8217; theory. coz most criminals are shown as dead or caught. most heros/heroines are in steady long term relationships. most people who have abortions are shown as losers. most who consume drugs are shown the same. So i am not sure that they are conforming to media images. I am fairly sure that there is breakdown of society for two reasons:</p>
<p>a) there are those areas where there is little or no parental control<br />
b) there are those areas where increasing fundamentalism is causing parents to exert too much control.</p>
<p>and both are contributing to deviancy.</p>
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		<title>By: gargi</title>
		<link>http://calamur.org/gargi/2005/09/30/religion-society-and-breakdown/comment-page-1/#comment-665</link>
		<dc:creator>gargi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Oct 2005 02:34:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Charu,
i think that there will be a link between social hypocrisy and societal brekdown. look at TN and this entire shit that is happening - moral policing. I asked my students in two different colleges about Valentines&#039; day. THe bulk of them replied that they think that it so unkool:) but they follow it because the moral police says no.
It&#039;s like alice in wonderland - the best way to make someone do something is to say &quot;don&#039;t do it&quot;. If you look at the success of curbing drug addiction in Holland - where many &#039;soft drugs&#039; are legal - and let&#039;s say the US or UK - where they are not - you will see a marked difference.
If you attacked abortion on health grounds as opposed to &#039;sin&#039; grounds - it probably would be more effective.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Charu,<br />
i think that there will be a link between social hypocrisy and societal brekdown. look at TN and this entire shit that is happening &#8211; moral policing. I asked my students in two different colleges about Valentines&#8217; day. THe bulk of them replied that they think that it so unkool:) but they follow it because the moral police says no.<br />
It&#8217;s like alice in wonderland &#8211; the best way to make someone do something is to say &#8220;don&#8217;t do it&#8221;. If you look at the success of curbing drug addiction in Holland &#8211; where many &#8217;soft drugs&#8217; are legal &#8211; and let&#8217;s say the US or UK &#8211; where they are not &#8211; you will see a marked difference.<br />
If you attacked abortion on health grounds as opposed to &#8217;sin&#8217; grounds &#8211; it probably would be more effective.</p>
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		<title>By: Sandpebble</title>
		<link>http://calamur.org/gargi/2005/09/30/religion-society-and-breakdown/comment-page-1/#comment-664</link>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Oct 2005 18:18:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Never-Ending Debate!

Wouldnâ€™t it be great is someone could come up with a cure for stupidity. With just one treatment we could eliminate 99.9% of the worldâ€™s problems.

A social â€œscientistâ€ named Gregory Paul has published a â€œstudyâ€ in the â€œJournal of Religion and Societyâ€ which purports to show that there is a correlation between religiosity and social ills. Just what the world needed: more stupidity to further muddy up the on-going debate between legitimate scientists and religious fanatics.

First, no one should be allowed to use the word â€œscientistâ€ in their title unless they have a firm understanding of mathematics and are capable of interpreting the statistics they generate. This effectively eliminates all sociologists and psychologists. These pretenders obviously have not mastered even basic math and have no understanding of the scientific method. Their jumping into the debate with faulty interpretation of questionable statistics only adds confusion. The religious fanatics will capitalize on this â€œstudyâ€ by a â€œscientistâ€ to further discredit their opponents.

Second, the debate has enough stupid players already. On the one hand we have fools who ignore all evidence that disagrees with their preconceived ideas, no matter how convincing it may be. On the other hand, we have arrogant scientists who should know better than to argue with these close-minded dimwits.

GP states that in the US, â€œthe majority believes in a creator rather than the theory of evolution.â€ How did he determine this? Did he rely on a survey? Does he not realize that most Americans are conformist, who would claim to believe in a creator simply because they think that is the popular thing to do. He certainly didnâ€™t monitor church attendance because most people donâ€™t attend regularly. Perhaps he just listened to our very vocal preachers and politicians: a couple of groups who wouldnâ€™t know the truth if it hit them in the face.

A more plausible explanation for the high rates of homicide, juvenile and early adult mortality, STD infection rates, teen pregnancy and abortion, sexual promiscuity and suicide in the US is the aforementioned tendency of Americans to conform to what is currently popular. People, especially teens, are heavily influenced by movies and television, and one need only view some of the offensive offerings of the media to see why we have high STD infection rates, teen pregnancy and abortion, sexual promiscuity and suicide. The growth of drug activity and gangs in our cities explains homicide, and juvenile and early adult mortality. Suicide is a byproduct of the increasing stress of urban life. All of this is the result of our compulsion to conform.

On the other hand, perhaps someone already has come up with a cure for stupidity: nuclear war. We may end the debate after all.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Never-Ending Debate!</p>
<p>Wouldnâ€™t it be great is someone could come up with a cure for stupidity. With just one treatment we could eliminate 99.9% of the worldâ€™s problems.</p>
<p>A social â€œscientistâ€ named Gregory Paul has published a â€œstudyâ€ in the â€œJournal of Religion and Societyâ€ which purports to show that there is a correlation between religiosity and social ills. Just what the world needed: more stupidity to further muddy up the on-going debate between legitimate scientists and religious fanatics.</p>
<p>First, no one should be allowed to use the word â€œscientistâ€ in their title unless they have a firm understanding of mathematics and are capable of interpreting the statistics they generate. This effectively eliminates all sociologists and psychologists. These pretenders obviously have not mastered even basic math and have no understanding of the scientific method. Their jumping into the debate with faulty interpretation of questionable statistics only adds confusion. The religious fanatics will capitalize on this â€œstudyâ€ by a â€œscientistâ€ to further discredit their opponents.</p>
<p>Second, the debate has enough stupid players already. On the one hand we have fools who ignore all evidence that disagrees with their preconceived ideas, no matter how convincing it may be. On the other hand, we have arrogant scientists who should know better than to argue with these close-minded dimwits.</p>
<p>GP states that in the US, â€œthe majority believes in a creator rather than the theory of evolution.â€ How did he determine this? Did he rely on a survey? Does he not realize that most Americans are conformist, who would claim to believe in a creator simply because they think that is the popular thing to do. He certainly didnâ€™t monitor church attendance because most people donâ€™t attend regularly. Perhaps he just listened to our very vocal preachers and politicians: a couple of groups who wouldnâ€™t know the truth if it hit them in the face.</p>
<p>A more plausible explanation for the high rates of homicide, juvenile and early adult mortality, STD infection rates, teen pregnancy and abortion, sexual promiscuity and suicide in the US is the aforementioned tendency of Americans to conform to what is currently popular. People, especially teens, are heavily influenced by movies and television, and one need only view some of the offensive offerings of the media to see why we have high STD infection rates, teen pregnancy and abortion, sexual promiscuity and suicide. The growth of drug activity and gangs in our cities explains homicide, and juvenile and early adult mortality. Suicide is a byproduct of the increasing stress of urban life. All of this is the result of our compulsion to conform.</p>
<p>On the other hand, perhaps someone already has come up with a cure for stupidity: nuclear war. We may end the debate after all.</p>
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		<title>By: Charu</title>
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		<dc:creator>Charu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Sep 2005 11:44:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>god morality culture - related concepts - and all leading to the ostrich mentality. I too read the article about societies which are have god on their minds being worse off... makes sense - and if nothing works there is always confession and repentence - I dont mean just in christian societies but all - it is like people who &quot;sin&quot; most who donate most at Tirupati!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>god morality culture &#8211; related concepts &#8211; and all leading to the ostrich mentality. I too read the article about societies which are have god on their minds being worse off&#8230; makes sense &#8211; and if nothing works there is always confession and repentence &#8211; I dont mean just in christian societies but all &#8211; it is like people who &#8220;sin&#8221; most who donate most at Tirupati!</p>
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