Comments on: Freedom gone bananas!

By: picture of zoroastrianism

picture of zoroastrianism — Tue, 14 Mar 2006 00:00:59 +0000

Excellent choice for a post! I really enjoyed it.

By: Sriram Venkitachalam

Sriram Venkitachalam — Tue, 21 Feb 2006 14:37:38 +0000

If i started a religion, drafted some rules, and in 25 years had as many followers as AOL Ravi Shankar, and said according to rule no. 102.a of my religion I should kill the Prime Minister of the day no one would dare oppose that. The right to religion in India weighs heavier than the the laws against incitement to muder and whatever. which is pathetic. we are less democratic more populist.

By: The Acorn » Watch out world. Some Indians have extra-territorial jurisdiction

Tue, 21 Feb 2006 09:58:32 +0000

[...] In the case of Yakub Qureshi (via POV), a minister in Uttar Pradesh state there is a prima facie case of incitement to murder. But what is a little incitement when murderers themselves find themselves in the Indian cabinet? By the way, more than religious fundamentalism, it is plain old political opportunism that caused Qureshi to announce a reward for the killing of Danish cartoonists. It is incumbent on the governor of Uttar Pradesh to sack Qureshi if, as is likely, Chief Minister Mulayam Singh Yadav fails to do so first. (More on Secular-Right India). Unfortunately, disabusing politicians of opportunism has become well nigh impossible these days. Further they’ve discovered that piggybacking on matters of faith is such a wonderful thing, for their actions are unlikely to be challenged by most. [...]

By: gargi

gargi — Tue, 21 Feb 2006 09:39:26 +0000

Hi Nitin
Actually it is both. He has the freedom to express his thoughts. but if he breaks the law by that expression (as he has), he has to pay the price for it. We see the former in society, but very rarely do we see the latter.

My problem is that extremists of all shades use the basically liberal frame work of society to use words that either provoke violence or indeed death. Unfortunately the State, for what ever reason has not held them accountable for their statements or actions. And if all of us as members of civil society, don’t see the state coming down hard on trespasses of this nature - there is no incintive for us to follow rules.

Of course in the case of the ‘honourable’ minister - the fact that UP elections are looming, and the Samajwadi Party is in a similar state to the RJD in Bihar -i htink that he his electioneering. And i hope that the EC does something decisive against both him and his party. I was personally apalled when Lallo campaigned with an Osama look alike. And I was horrified that he & his party were not reprimanded or fined. I hope this time around it is different.

By: gargi

gargi — Tue, 21 Feb 2006 09:30:36 +0000

hi harsh
i am glad that people came out to protest and defied those who seek to reduce our individual freedoms.
and i hope that things change faster than they are. I really would like to see more ‘ordinary’ citizens participating as watchdogs in society

By: gargi

gargi — Tue, 21 Feb 2006 09:27:07 +0000

Hi Nehal
welcome to this blog and thank you.
There are a few projects in the pipleline. as soon as the contracts are inked and production begins, I will blog about them.
one of them is interactive !

By: Nitin

Nitin — Tue, 21 Feb 2006 09:12:20 +0000

Harini,

What the UP minister did was not an expression of freedom, it was an incitement to murder. Freedom of expression is a fundamental right. Incitement to murder is a crime under the Indian Penal Code. It is not about freedom of expression at all, it is whether a holder of constitutional office can get away with a dangerous crime.

Indian citizens can freely criticize anything that offends them. They can write op-eds, blogs, newspaper articles, even organise protest marches or hunger strikes. They cannot resort to violence. They cannot damage other’s property. They cannot take lives (including their own). They certainly cannot ask other people to kill. These are all crimes.

The conceptual simplicity of it stands out against the cynical complexity that is necessary to obfuscate it.

By: Harsh

Harsh — Sun, 19 Feb 2006 20:52:20 +0000

They did respond well by holding the whole Valentine bash again and challenging the Sena . The Sena is weakening rapidly and its idea of disruptive politics will not cut the cake for long. You are right mam, when you say that the people are changing. This current generation has a quite self confidence about it which is slowly reflecting in their behaviour. Things will change slowly but surely.

By: Nehal

Nehal — Sun, 19 Feb 2006 14:53:24 +0000

Hi Harini,
Had been following your blog since sometime. You write well on the social issues. Keep it up.

No updates on your next assignment similar to Dial One show ?

By: gargi

gargi — Sun, 19 Feb 2006 11:58:10 +0000

actually nilu, India is slowly changing. a lot of ordinary people are challenging the might of the established. It isn’t as much or as fast as it ought to be, but it is there.

i have been back in India for the last 11 years, and there has been a sea change in terms of awareness.

the PIL’s that have been filed have been by ordinary indians against both. the number of ordinary people who have spoken up against both instances is phenomenal

and, the most important thing of all is this, in India we still use the vote to punish those who have failed us. Hopefully in Maharashtra that would mean a rout for the SS in the forthcoming elections.

UP unfortunately is another story. But Bihar threw out Laloo and his goons, hopefully the people of UP would mete a similar treatment to the Samajwadi party.

But, i buy your point, this change is not as fast as we want it to be.