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		<title>By: bhupinder</title>
		<link>http://calamur.org/gargi/2006/11/19/milton-friedman-rip/comment-page-1/#comment-1310</link>
		<dc:creator>bhupinder</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Nov 2006 14:21:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kuffir, I think I missed the question addressed to me here.

Other countries: I can&#039;t think of any other major country offhand. China, perhaps, in some ways comes closest.

The US, too, with all its pretensions of being a democracy is a very restrictive country, whose political spectrum consists of just 2 political parties (the others don&#039;t really have a major say)- one is at best a center- right party and the other is conservative, right wing.

As William Greider points out in The Nation, the market being able to self- regulate is a flawed idea.

Free markets are not really free, as the Indian development economist Sukhomay Chakravarty pointed out.

What seems to have been borne out from the experience of the second half of the 20th century is that power of the state has been necessary to establish &quot;free- markets&quot;. This may not necessarily be a dictatorship. I think Chile is an extreme case- perhaps the logic of Friedman&#039;s ideas reaching a logical culmination.

The worse thing was that Friedman was happy to support a regime that implemented his ideas, overlooking the brutality of Pinochet&#039;s regime.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kuffir, I think I missed the question addressed to me here.</p>
<p>Other countries: I can&#8217;t think of any other major country offhand. China, perhaps, in some ways comes closest.</p>
<p>The US, too, with all its pretensions of being a democracy is a very restrictive country, whose political spectrum consists of just 2 political parties (the others don&#8217;t really have a major say)- one is at best a center- right party and the other is conservative, right wing.</p>
<p>As William Greider points out in The Nation, the market being able to self- regulate is a flawed idea.</p>
<p>Free markets are not really free, as the Indian development economist Sukhomay Chakravarty pointed out.</p>
<p>What seems to have been borne out from the experience of the second half of the 20th century is that power of the state has been necessary to establish &#8220;free- markets&#8221;. This may not necessarily be a dictatorship. I think Chile is an extreme case- perhaps the logic of Friedman&#8217;s ideas reaching a logical culmination.</p>
<p>The worse thing was that Friedman was happy to support a regime that implemented his ideas, overlooking the brutality of Pinochet&#8217;s regime.</p>
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		<title>By: sherriff</title>
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		<dc:creator>sherriff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Nov 2006 06:52:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>first time on ur blog thru charu&#039;s blog....vow...luved reading ur articles

I am not a economist, a chartered accountant but like to read on economy generally

A question which has been my mind for a long time is that why government organisation even those who are in business tends to be inefficient compared to private organisation</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>first time on ur blog thru charu&#8217;s blog&#8230;.vow&#8230;luved reading ur articles</p>
<p>I am not a economist, a chartered accountant but like to read on economy generally</p>
<p>A question which has been my mind for a long time is that why government organisation even those who are in business tends to be inefficient compared to private organisation</p>
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		<title>By: gargi</title>
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		<dc:creator>gargi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Nov 2006 07:53:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Reagan and Thatcher both believed in Deterrence as opposed to detante. And deterence cost money. whether it was accounted for under a NATO head or a space research head (SDI) or a social development head (latin america),or even a reconstruction head (as in modern day Iraq), i really wouldn&#039;t know. But monies were spent. And this did not involve the active involvement in Afghanistan, Lebanon, and half of the middle east. It does not even involve iraq  1 - which i think was subsidised by Saudi Arabia and Kuwait.

I am really surprised to read that %  spent on  defence has declined in the US - the &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.janes.com/defence/news/jdi/jdi050504_1_n.shtml&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;&lt;strong&gt;absolutes are huge&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/a&gt;. maybe they are accounting for it more creatively or that the GDP of the country has gone up so much that the defence spend seems low. but, in &lt;a rel=&quot;nofollow&quot; href=&quot;http://www.mtholyoke.edu/~jephrean/classweb/United%20States.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;&lt;strong&gt;absolute terms&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/a&gt; its still quite high. The only &lt;strong&gt;&lt;a rel=&quot;nofollow&quot; href=&quot;http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0904490.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;blips &lt;/a&gt;&lt;/strong&gt;were in the &#039;balance the books&#039; clinton era.

Also,the fact remains that all spending impacts growth - be it yours and mine or the defence industry.

i am probably being harsh on both Thatcher and Reagan - i honestly believe that history will treat them harsher than contemporary politics has.

Thank you for you kind words.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Reagan and Thatcher both believed in Deterrence as opposed to detante. And deterence cost money. whether it was accounted for under a NATO head or a space research head (SDI) or a social development head (latin america),or even a reconstruction head (as in modern day Iraq), i really wouldn&#8217;t know. But monies were spent. And this did not involve the active involvement in Afghanistan, Lebanon, and half of the middle east. It does not even involve iraq  1 &#8211; which i think was subsidised by Saudi Arabia and Kuwait.</p>
<p>I am really surprised to read that %  spent on  defence has declined in the US &#8211; the <a href="http://www.janes.com/defence/news/jdi/jdi050504_1_n.shtml" rel="nofollow"><strong>absolutes are huge</strong></a>. maybe they are accounting for it more creatively or that the GDP of the country has gone up so much that the defence spend seems low. but, in <a rel="nofollow" href="http://www.mtholyoke.edu/~jephrean/classweb/United%20States.html" rel="nofollow"><strong>absolute terms</strong></a> its still quite high. The only <strong><a rel="nofollow" href="http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0904490.html" rel="nofollow">blips </a></strong>were in the &#8216;balance the books&#8217; clinton era.</p>
<p>Also,the fact remains that all spending impacts growth &#8211; be it yours and mine or the defence industry.</p>
<p>i am probably being harsh on both Thatcher and Reagan &#8211; i honestly believe that history will treat them harsher than contemporary politics has.</p>
<p>Thank you for you kind words.</p>
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		<title>By: kuffir</title>
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		<dc:creator>kuffir</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Nov 2006 03:34:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&#039;So how much of the prosperity and growth in the UK and the US was due to unclogging bureaucracy and restrictions, and how much of it can be attributed to the good old war economy is something that both sides would fight till the cows come home.&#039;

as far as i remember there were no large wars during the reaganite years..in which the u.s. had participated. thatcher worked up a lot of hysteria on the falklands but that was hardly a war..
military spending in the u.s had actually taken a steep dive from 7% (of gdp) in the 80s to around 3.5 in the 90s and around 4.5 % now..so what war spending are we talking about? a new theory is currently gaining ground that large military spending is no longer necessary to fuel growth... perhaps you&#039;re being a little harsh on friedman acolytes? and unjust to the genuine achievements of the economies you refer to? an excellent overview.. best i&#039;ve read in the indian blogworld..

bhupinder,
what other economic/political dictators can one think of apart from chile and pinochet?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8216;So how much of the prosperity and growth in the UK and the US was due to unclogging bureaucracy and restrictions, and how much of it can be attributed to the good old war economy is something that both sides would fight till the cows come home.&#8217;</p>
<p>as far as i remember there were no large wars during the reaganite years..in which the u.s. had participated. thatcher worked up a lot of hysteria on the falklands but that was hardly a war..<br />
military spending in the u.s had actually taken a steep dive from 7% (of gdp) in the 80s to around 3.5 in the 90s and around 4.5 % now..so what war spending are we talking about? a new theory is currently gaining ground that large military spending is no longer necessary to fuel growth&#8230; perhaps you&#8217;re being a little harsh on friedman acolytes? and unjust to the genuine achievements of the economies you refer to? an excellent overview.. best i&#8217;ve read in the indian blogworld..</p>
<p>bhupinder,<br />
what other economic/political dictators can one think of apart from chile and pinochet?</p>
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		<title>By: gargi</title>
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		<dc:creator>gargi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Nov 2006 02:06:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>thank you
i think a bit of both.
for me one of the greatest contradictions of those who supported the theory is the speed at which they spoke out for economic freedom, and made apologies for lack of political freedom. The case in point being apartheid - it was so huge when i was a student. And i remember thatcherite monetarists going on and on about how sanctions were wrong, and that the free market will get rid of apartheid. till today i haven&#039;t figured that one out :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>thank you<br />
i think a bit of both.<br />
for me one of the greatest contradictions of those who supported the theory is the speed at which they spoke out for economic freedom, and made apologies for lack of political freedom. The case in point being apartheid &#8211; it was so huge when i was a student. And i remember thatcherite monetarists going on and on about how sanctions were wrong, and that the free market will get rid of apartheid. till today i haven&#8217;t figured that one out <img src='http://calamur.org/gargi/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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