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		<title>By: Lies and damn lies Mahajan - Dogpile Web Search</title>
		<link>http://calamur.org/gargi/2006/12/10/out-of-context-lies-damn-lies-and-half-quotes/comment-page-1/#comment-5286</link>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Aug 2008 22:15:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: gargi</title>
		<link>http://calamur.org/gargi/2006/12/10/out-of-context-lies-damn-lies-and-half-quotes/comment-page-1/#comment-3909</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 14 May 2008 02:06:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>http://calamur.org/gargi/2005/09/24/reservation-on-the-basis-of-religion-a-bad-idea/

http://calamur.org/gargi/2004/07/11/the-real-issues-corruption-caste-and-reservations/

where there is inequity it needs to be addressed. for example, if people aren&#039;t getting loans or jobs because they are of community x or y.....</description>
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<p>where there is inequity it needs to be addressed. for example, if people aren&#8217;t getting loans or jobs because they are of community x or y&#8230;..</p>
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		<title>By: prax</title>
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		<dc:creator>prax</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 May 2008 20:04:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>im not alone 
even the supreme court has pointed out to the govt 

You are trying to please one community. Poverty is the common enemy. You should fight against poverty rather than saying that you would fight against poverty for one community only. This is where the rot lies,&quot; a two-member bench headed by Justice T S Thakur said

http://www.zeenews.com/articles.asp?aid=442651&amp;sid=NAT</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div class="comment-toolbar" style="text-align: right"><input type="button" value="Reply" onclick="CF_Reply('3886','prax');" /><input type="button" value="Quote" onclick="CF_Quote('3886','prax');" /></div><span id="co_3886"><p>im not alone<br />
even the supreme court has pointed out to the govt </p>
<p>You are trying to please one community. Poverty is the common enemy. You should fight against poverty rather than saying that you would fight against poverty for one community only. This is where the rot lies,&#8221; a two-member bench headed by Justice T S Thakur said</p>
<p><a href="http://www.zeenews.com/articles.asp?aid=442651&amp;sid=NAT" rel="nofollow">http://www.zeenews.com/articles.asp?aid=442651&amp;sid=NAT</a></p>
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		<title>By: prax</title>
		<link>http://calamur.org/gargi/2006/12/10/out-of-context-lies-damn-lies-and-half-quotes/comment-page-1/#comment-3810</link>
		<dc:creator>prax</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 May 2008 21:07:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>what about the talk of allowing the christian and muslim dalits/converts into the obc quota ? 
christians have a lot of schools and colleges that they inherited from the raj -built with state funds . with generous reservations for the community... so they are generally better off..

the taslima issue
in terms of its handling by the government.
it was indeed pathetic - they kept her locked up denied her proper medical treatment - curtailed her activity to such an extent that she had to leave india for medical aid

on I would think that reservation on the basis of religion would be highly divisive and should not even be contemplated.
Well thats what is happening isnt it religion and caste based reservation 

What would be interesting to know is % of Muslims applying for loans and getting them sanctioned v/s the national trend.

well loans are supposed to be given on basis of financial viability and assets backed by tax returns 
or relevant income proof -
most muslims work in unorganised sector and i don&#039;t think there is discrimination perse

how many small farmers get bank loans? that is also a statistic to be chkd out</description>
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christians have a lot of schools and colleges that they inherited from the raj -built with state funds . with generous reservations for the community&#8230; so they are generally better off..</p>
<p>the taslima issue<br />
in terms of its handling by the government.<br />
it was indeed pathetic &#8211; they kept her locked up denied her proper medical treatment &#8211; curtailed her activity to such an extent that she had to leave india for medical aid</p>
<p>on I would think that reservation on the basis of religion would be highly divisive and should not even be contemplated.<br />
Well thats what is happening isnt it religion and caste based reservation </p>
<p>What would be interesting to know is % of Muslims applying for loans and getting them sanctioned v/s the national trend.</p>
<p>well loans are supposed to be given on basis of financial viability and assets backed by tax returns<br />
or relevant income proof -<br />
most muslims work in unorganised sector and i don&#8217;t think there is discrimination perse</p>
<p>how many small farmers get bank loans? that is also a statistic to be chkd out</p>
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		<title>By: gargi</title>
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		<dc:creator>gargi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 May 2008 13:46:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Prax
i think that the PM has taken the right approach to that statement. He has said nothing that needs defending. If anything, it is the press that needs to be on the backfoot for making a mountain of a mole hill.

taslima nasreen was a disaster --- in terms of its handling by the government. Allowing a woman, a refugee no less, to be hounded out by a bunch of fanatics was nothing short of spinelessness. IT goes against all our civilisational values ... where we are supposed to defend even  an enemy, who has taken refuge, with our lives ..if needed. 

On the exclusion of minority institutions from the OBC quota ... unless Muslim &amp; Christian religious organisations recognise that caste is social and not religious .. it is going to be very difficult to bring them under the ambit of reservation. Which is really tragic, because many  of converts to both religions did so to escape discrimination .... But, with religious organisations from both communities denying the existence of caste ...there is not much that this or any Government can do....except maybe look at economic reservation. I would think that reservation on the basis of religion would be highly divisive and should not even be contemplated. 

What would be interesting to know is % of Muslims applying for loans and getting them sanctioned v/s the national trend. 
If there is a  lacuna in terms of fairness --- it does need to be addressed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div class="comment-toolbar" style="text-align: right"><input type="button" value="Reply" onclick="CF_Reply('3802','gargi');" /><input type="button" value="Quote" onclick="CF_Quote('3802','gargi');" /></div><span id="co_3802"><p>Hi Prax<br />
i think that the PM has taken the right approach to that statement. He has said nothing that needs defending. If anything, it is the press that needs to be on the backfoot for making a mountain of a mole hill.</p>
<p>taslima nasreen was a disaster &#8212; in terms of its handling by the government. Allowing a woman, a refugee no less, to be hounded out by a bunch of fanatics was nothing short of spinelessness. IT goes against all our civilisational values &#8230; where we are supposed to defend even  an enemy, who has taken refuge, with our lives ..if needed. </p>
<p>On the exclusion of minority institutions from the OBC quota &#8230; unless Muslim &#038; Christian religious organisations recognise that caste is social and not religious .. it is going to be very difficult to bring them under the ambit of reservation. Which is really tragic, because many  of converts to both religions did so to escape discrimination &#8230;. But, with religious organisations from both communities denying the existence of caste &#8230;there is not much that this or any Government can do&#8230;.except maybe look at economic reservation. I would think that reservation on the basis of religion would be highly divisive and should not even be contemplated. </p>
<p>What would be interesting to know is % of Muslims applying for loans and getting them sanctioned v/s the national trend.<br />
If there is a  lacuna in terms of fairness &#8212; it does need to be addressed.</p>
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