Comments on: The State as Nanny…. http://calamur.org/gargi/2008/10/13/the-state-as-nanny/ A Point of View Mon, 15 Mar 2010 06:55:51 -0700 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: anu http://calamur.org/gargi/2008/10/13/the-state-as-nanny/comment-page-1/#comment-5695 anu Sun, 19 Oct 2008 17:49:59 +0000 http://calamur.org/gargi/?p=972#comment-5695 >(asbestosis, fluorosis…..) meant silicosis not fluorosis :-) >(asbestosis, fluorosis…..)

meant silicosis not fluorosis :-)

]]> By: anu http://calamur.org/gargi/2008/10/13/the-state-as-nanny/comment-page-1/#comment-5692 anu Sat, 18 Oct 2008 21:15:58 +0000 http://calamur.org/gargi/?p=972#comment-5692 >>ramadoss’s rationale is since state is going to pick up the tab, let me stop it in the beginning. he is extending the same logic applied to drugs like cocaine to tobacco as well. if you ignore the whole moral policing angle, it does seem he has a sorta point there Bala, dont want to take up space on POV.....but I am curious about govt hospitals and cancer care, are you speaking from personal experience about cancer treatment? that is, timely therapy... called for in cancer? I do, and would like to compare experience ....in case you have ......... Occupational cancer ............most fume filled professions in India are equally important causes of lung cancer...(asbestosis, fluorosis.....).....does this logic extend.........govt. picks tabs...so improve working conditions, impose stringent environmental laws? to save money on chemotherapy? But of course I am talking about ones without any health plans.....mine, quarry, construction workers, brick makers...etc etc...ones who will directly head to the govt hospitals.......... I would root for a politician who takes on this, is consistent, regardless of the class divide, evolves policies that keep the industry running but with improved health environment. This is not as easy as shutting down small liquor vendors! :-) . We elect politicians not to bully and scare, but that they use their brains, their empathy, their extensive resources to improve things for us, in a rational manner, right? >>ramadoss’s rationale is since state is going to pick up the tab, let me stop it in the beginning. he is extending the same logic applied to drugs like cocaine to tobacco as well. if you ignore the whole moral policing angle, it does seem he has a sorta point there

Bala, dont want to take up space on POV…..but I am curious about govt hospitals and cancer care, are you speaking from personal experience about cancer treatment? that is, timely therapy… called for in cancer? I do, and would like to compare experience ….in case you have ………

Occupational cancer …………most fume filled professions in India are equally important causes of lung cancer…(asbestosis, fluorosis…..)…..does this logic extend………govt. picks tabs…so improve working conditions, impose stringent environmental laws? to save money on chemotherapy? But of course I am talking about ones without any health plans…..mine, quarry, construction workers, brick makers…etc etc…ones who will directly head to the govt hospitals………. I would root for a politician who takes on this, is consistent, regardless of the class divide, evolves policies that keep the industry running but with improved health environment. This is not as easy as shutting down small liquor vendors! :-) . We elect politicians not to bully and scare, but that they use their brains, their empathy, their extensive resources to improve things for us, in a rational manner, right?

]]> By: bala http://calamur.org/gargi/2008/10/13/the-state-as-nanny/comment-page-1/#comment-5681 bala Fri, 17 Oct 2008 16:11:29 +0000 http://calamur.org/gargi/?p=972#comment-5681 >>@ bala -women and men who go binge drinking and smoking over the weekend - i know people like that — they won’t know a government hospital if it hit them on the head… i think you are wrong here. the cost of cancer treatment runs into tens of lakhs. a single dose of chemotherapy costs upto 5 lakhs and a patient needs to have them till remission or death. the general health cover - be it corporate or individual doesnt cover such kind of cost. and most of the "private health plans" you mention do not cover cancer under one pretext or another. They always find a way to reject claims with heavy costs like cancer treatment. Reasons for so to sum up - a lot of the people you know, who go clubbing or pubbing or whatever, if they get cancer from smoking , will end up in a govt hospital or getting subsidised drugs. The state does pick up the tab for such things. ramadoss's rationale is since state is going to pick up the tab, let me stop it in the beginning. he is extending the same logic applied to drugs like cocaine to tobacco as well. if you ignore the whole moral policing angle, it does seem he has a sorta point there >>@ bala -women and men who go binge drinking and smoking over the weekend – i know people like that — they won’t know a government hospital if it hit them on the head…

i think you are wrong here. the cost of cancer treatment runs into tens of lakhs. a single dose of chemotherapy costs upto 5 lakhs and a patient needs to have them till remission or death.

the general health cover – be it corporate or individual doesnt cover such kind of cost. and most of the “private health plans” you mention do not cover cancer under one pretext or another. They always find a way to reject claims with heavy costs like cancer treatment.
Reasons for

so to sum up – a lot of the people you know, who go clubbing or pubbing or whatever, if they get cancer from smoking , will end up in a govt hospital or getting subsidised drugs. The state does pick up the tab for such things.

ramadoss’s rationale is since state is going to pick up the tab, let me stop it in the beginning.
he is extending the same logic applied to drugs like cocaine to tobacco as well. if you ignore the whole moral policing angle, it does seem he has a sorta point there

]]> By: Prasanth http://calamur.org/gargi/2008/10/13/the-state-as-nanny/comment-page-1/#comment-5668 Prasanth Thu, 16 Oct 2008 11:17:29 +0000 http://calamur.org/gargi/?p=972#comment-5668 I forgot this the first time but <a href="http://thedailypheesh.blogspot.com/2008/07/poof.html" rel="nofollow">this</a> is my contribution to the speculation. I forgot this the first time but this is my contribution to the speculation.

]]> By: gargi http://calamur.org/gargi/2008/10/13/the-state-as-nanny/comment-page-1/#comment-5666 gargi Thu, 16 Oct 2008 05:15:52 +0000 http://calamur.org/gargi/?p=972#comment-5666 @ anu - good one. also regulate the media .... @ dinesh - taking on macdonald's makes for more headlines than taking on a screwed PDS that doesn't deliver the promised nutrition level to millions of Indians @ bala -women and men who go binge drinking and smoking over the weekend - i know people like that --- they won't know a government hospital if it hit them on the head... he needs to make people aware of the dangers of abusive use of alcohol, cigarettes, drugs ... but this is not the way. blanket bans based on his 'fundamentalist views on health' is not the way to run a government. @ Prasanth -- every idiocy has a silver lining :) @rada - thank you :) @ anu – good one. also regulate the media ….
@ dinesh – taking on macdonald’s makes for more headlines than taking on a screwed PDS that doesn’t deliver the promised nutrition level to millions of Indians
@ bala -women and men who go binge drinking and smoking over the weekend – i know people like that — they won’t know a government hospital if it hit them on the head… he needs to make people aware of the dangers of abusive use of alcohol, cigarettes, drugs … but this is not the way. blanket bans based on his ‘fundamentalist views on health’ is not the way to run a government.
@ Prasanth — every idiocy has a silver lining :)
@rada – thank you :)

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