When I was growing up, I was often told, by my father’s friends – India and Pakistan, we are brothers. we have the same language, culture, etc etc etc. This was when we lived in Delhi. i later realised that the fact that the dominant culture in Delhi was Punjabi, and there was a yearning for the age gone by. As i grew older, and began understanding the concept of diversity, i began understanding only one thing – that while there are some Indians who are like the Pakistanis – primarily Sindhis and Punjabis – most of us are not.
As I got even older, i understood more. As a student in England, i had a Pakistani classmate, who was from Karachi. He told me that he was a Mohajir and that his family supported this party called MQM. That they were fighting for Mohajir rights. Mohajir was a term used to describe immigrants from India. And, i found that kind of odd- that Mohajirs would be discriminated against- given that Pakistan was set up as a Muslim homeland. Then came other surprises. This was an era before cell phones. Even land lines in India were sparse. And i would call up on a given day to India – to my dad’s office to chat. or he would call me. All my classmates knew that habit. That day, dad’s office was shut for Muharram . My Pakistani classmate did not know what Muharram was. I was kind of surprised, because he was a Muslim, and this was a Muslim religious day. Which is when I also figured that all Muslims do not live together in harmony. And, there are some countries in which Shias are discriminated against. From my Bangladeshi neighbours and classmates, i learned first hand accounts of the massacre in Dacca before the 1971 war. And it was based less on religion, and more on the ethnicity, linguistics, and just the desire to kill the ‘other’ – you can define ‘other’ whichever way you want, it is just someone who is not like you.
And, then the 1993 bomb blasts took place in India. Planned in Pakistan. Executed in Mumbai. The start of a long list of terror attacks, against civilians in India. It continues till today.\
The overlapping era, across the world, was the era of sanctions against South Africa for practising apartheid. The best cricket players, the best actors, the best rugby players, never played internationally because their government was bigoted, and their system perpetuated it. I never understood why Pakistan never faced sanctions. What it has done since inception has been on par with what Nazi Germany perpetuated. Yet, it got away free.
Pakistan has had some of the best publicity and public relations management in the history of nations.It got away, literally, with murder, rape and massacres. Even when it committed genocide in East Pakistan, there were no sanctions. I have heard first hand accounts of the genocide, and, much of what we read has been so sanitised, that people who speak about it come across as nutcases. The men who planned it, those who implemented it, walked away scot free. The actions against the Bengali speaking population of East Pakistan was just something that they got caught doing. There is a list of things that are so under the radar, they rarely get mentioned. Genocide against every conceivable minority possible – Shia Muslims, Ahmedias , Christians, Hindus, the Baloch People, Hazaras, just to mention a few. These are stories i routinely come across when i trawl the interwebs for reading. There are a lot more i never come across, because a) they aren’t on the internet, b) they are on the internet but i don’t read the language. Pakistan has gotten away with sheer murder, time and time again. And, the naive west, led by the USA, has fallen time and time again for a pack of lies, told by a bunch of sociopaths, who claim to be the last defence against Islamist terror. This is like the west paying the mother lode of terror to get it to fight terror.
I always wondered why South Africa faced sanctions, and Pakistan did not. As i got even older i got the answer to it. The Afrikaners, were terrible on television. They looked arrogant, didn’t look terribly telegenic, spoke like Nazis, and came across as terribly racist. On the other hand, Pakistan had invested in people who are suave, sophisticated, look telegenic and sounded like they were possibly your best friends. If you take away all your biases against Pakistan, and listen to their generals and bureaucrats on television. If you heard them day after day, you will be convinced that they are the victims of circumstance. That India is the aggressor. That they are the last defence against terror. Someone as canny as Nixon was taken in by the sophistication
I have often written about why I never understood successive Governments of India falling for the Pakistani line of ‘let us be friends’ – maybe, as a woman i believe that before friendship, there needs to be trust. there needs to be that sense of security. And, i have often wondered, why we don’t stop trading, transacting, communicating. The nostalgia of one Indian state, cannot become the cross for the rest of India to bear.
Last week, before the surgical strikes against terror camps on the other side of the LoC (btw – India did not violate Pakistan’s territorial rights, it walked into a part of India illegally occupied by Pakistan) , and after the Uri attacks, there was this entire clamour about banning Pakistani actors on film. I have no views on this, except that why would you hire outsiders, to do jobs that locals can do. But, Bollywood has always been kind of woolly headed about Pakistan. It stems from the fact that too many people from Bollywood come from Punjab. And most Punjabis are, understandably, nostalgic about undivided Punjab. As a south indian brought up in Maharashtra, this entire ‘we are one people’ ‘we have the same language and culture and food’ never made sense, because we didn’t. But, this is less about the myopia and nostalgia of Bollywood, and more about the fact that on a daily basis, representatives of the Pakistani establishment are entering your homes, via your TV sets, to give you their side of the story. I ran a poll on this, on twitter, to gauge the response of others. A
Should Former Pak Bureaucrats, Diplomats, Armed Forces, Politicians PM’s be on Indian news channels putting across a Pak PoV? #poll #RT
— Harini Calamur (@calamur) September 28, 2016
Frankly, i am less bothered about actors, than i am by the Pakistani establishment. I also, do not expect actors, and cricketers, and other Pakistani civilians working in India, or for Indian companies, to take a stand against their government for one simple reason. This is a government without conscience. All those links that i have provided above, tells you the ruthlessness with which they kill the ‘other’. If i were from such a state, i would be terrified of the repercussions on my family and friends. On my loved ones. The state of Pakistan is capable of just about anything. I will leave you with the death of the qawaal Ajmad Sabri. He was killed for being a Sufi. Because being sufi is considered blasphemy. And, the government marked him for death by pinning the blasphemy label on him.
While i understand the anger that we all have against Pakistani infiltration, it’s support of terror and the way it lies, i also understand that India is dealing with a Pakistani system where no one is in control. Not the Government, not the Military, not the terrorists. The competition to take control, is what is spilling over to the rest of the world. While the rest of the civilised world competes on achievements, this lot competes on bloodshed. I wouldn’t expect the Pakistani actors in India to speak out against the terror attacks in Uri, they are probably too terrified. If i were in their place, i would be terrified too. What i do expect, however, is for Indian channels to stop getting Pakistani establishment on TV news shows to defend Pakistan. I was appalled to see a tweet from a leading news anchor about the presence of General Musharraf on their channel. All I could think of was the Batra family. Musharraf has been leading the charge against India since the time he duped the then PM Vajpayee, and betrayed the concept of friendship and peace. Remember Kargil?
In human relationships as with States, some things stay common – without trust and respect, there can be no friendship. no love. there may be lust, but that is temporary. There could be memories, but those are yesterday. the question is always about today – do we trust them ? do we respect them? Have we done all that we can for either — In my opinion, we have. It hasn’t worked. Now it is time to move on. It is time to shred the nostalgia. the fact that a few of us have family memories of Lahore and Karachi. That we have memories of food, and festivals. It is completely ok, to forget the past, rinse it out of memories, and move on. It is ok not to have any relations with Pakistan – not as friends, not as enemies. we can’t change our neighbourhood, nor get our neighbour to move. But, we can learn not to want being liked by them.
Very well written article which brings out the fact that just because we have a shared past India need not aspire for a friendship with Pakistan
thank you 🙂
WOW. What an article.
thank you 🙂
I agree that the Pakistant government and military cannot be trusted. But taking it out on actors and other normal citizens is unfair and uncalled for. Not hiring foreign talent because a local can do it? What if the US thought the same way about Indians? If they banned us, we would be screaming about racism. Hyprocrisy at its finest.
It would be good if we could make arguments objectively, as done in this article. First, US does not hire Indians as a good will gesture. It hires Indians because a surplus of jobs is created there which are not filled by the domestic talent pool. If tomorrow US started to produce enough people capable of filling all their IT jobs, they will not only stop hiring from here, they will send others back. I have seen it happening where green cards do not get extended for the precise reason. Coming to Bollywood, I will say that while I agree with the author’s perspective that they are bound by circumstances to not speak up, India also does not have a specific need for these individuals apart from a good will gesture to the people of Pakistan. To elaborate, among the lot, Fawad Khan will be the most memorable for his role in Kapoor and sons but if you see his role, he is entirely replaceable by an actual Kapoor. So you see, it is an Apples and oranges comparison and I support that they have been sent back. It is a symbolic burning of the bridges, same way as diplomats are deported as relations sour.
“Not hiring foreign talent because a local can do it? What if the US thought the same way about Indians?…Hyprocrisy at its finest.”
And that’s exactly how the US thinks about Indians, and all immigrants. The top requirement for H1B visas – the only way in which most white-collar foreign workers can hope to work in USA – is to prove that no US citizen can do the job for which a foreigner is being hired. And they have stringent stipulations to show that this is indeed the case with each application.
Please get more informed before throwing around rhetorical questions. For, they might not be rhetorical after all.
I wouldn’t hire. But, i am not against others hiring.
Or rather, i will only hire if there is no one locally who can do that job, at that price. Which is the way work permits work across the world. I am not sure why we need to roll out the red carpet in this case.
I don’t think the author has recommended a ‘ban’ on Pakistani artists. She has only asked Bollywood to review and analyze their wishful attachment to Pakistani collaboration. If you ask Pakistani artists who they side with vis-a-vis the India-Pak situation and, if they answer you honestly, I am sure, you will change your mind. Their influence on our media and entertainment channels is, therefore, a problem we should guard against. As simple as that. We can still continue to enjoy Pakistani talent as they do with our Amitabh or Lata. We are not at war with the US. We haven’t exported terror to America. I am afraid your comparison, therefore, is irrelevant.
thank you 🙂 and, with America, the process for work permit is very clearly laid out.
Really, superb article. More than their army it seems their PR managers are protecting Pak .
thank you 🙂
I have always felt that whatever you have said so unambiguously is absolutely true. Facts have been arrayed brilliantly in a very eloquent manner. Particularly, on the way Pakistan has been able to charm the West and others (including our neighbors) to make them believe that India is the perennial wrong-doer. The skills of our much acclaimed orators like Krishna Menon et al have never been a match for their stylish PR. Great write, Madam! We have been and are living in a land of wishful dreaming. High time we woke up, brushed away the nostalgic dust of slumber weighing down on our eyelids and walked our separate way into a meaningful future.
thank you 🙂
Pretty well argued. As a non-Indian, non-Pakistani, I can see the irrationality of people making false equivalences between the two countries even if a part of the population on both sides shared some history. Four things indicate the nature of the current Pakistan for me — the vanishing minority population, the formal debarment of minorities from holding the highest office, the naming of their defense equipment after medieval plunderers of the subcontinent and finally the people of the country having no problem with any of these but complaining about the state of affairs in other countries.
Thank you. there is also more — the ability of Pakistan to ferment troubles in all it’s neighbours, including china. They are playing a dangerous game, and it is impacting all in the neighbourhood – Iran, India, Afghanistan, China….
Absolutely agree. As a South Indian brought up in the North, I found it difficult to identify with hatred for Muslims but came to know that the partition trauma and living in camps due to the atrocities made people that way. Now I don’t understand this nostalgia to embrace Pak folks in the film industry. Films don’t need people with their kind of looks. A good script sells much better as we have seen time and again. May be people need to recognise that what is lost is lost and gone for ever. We cannot unite. Once that acceptance comes, maybe these folks will move to the remaining stages of grief and get ready for a new reality, Till then we will have useless debates. Times Now is atrocious with the anchor thinking that putting invited guests in their place means our war is won… so riculous!
i agree. News channels need to stop providing space for people who represent the Pakistani establishment.
i have no issues, whatsoever, with civil society appearing on shows (but that is with a rider – no propaganda).
“We can learn not to want being liked by them.”..wow…I hope many more Indians think
this way!!
i hope so.
It’s realy a good thinking. If every once thinking would like that so we never fight with each other. It’s time to become good family good friends and a good country
We are fighting with our family.
Both country should stop this faar and stand for each other then will be a best country.
Foolish argument. Some Muslims in
India is not supporting Indian action. They are united religiously.”
i don’t think that is true.
i think we should let some time go by, before trying friendship again. the opposite of friendship, IMO, is not enmity, it is ignoring the other
Pakistan is a gone case created by Jinnah and Nehru in collaboration with British. Why talk about it. A Nation created on dead bodies of Punjabies and Bengalies. Millions of people perished but Nehru became PM of India and Jinnah of Pakistan of a selected party not elected party. If there was election India would never have been divided. Indian independence is defective hence it was not legitimate then. Time has changed so have people but feeling remains.
Pakistan is in self destruction mode where anybody can do anything. I only hope it does not become a liability for us. The educated Pakistanis want to live in India for they feel safe here. All Muslims in Pakistan are converts and they have same thinking process as any Indian has but what about mercenaries who have taken over Pakistan Army, administration and politics? It is they who have made life of common man there difficult. Pakistan Army and Political people are sitting on a time bomb of common man which will explode any time it just needs a trigger at right temperature. At that time no amount of India bashing MANTRA will help them. They have been committing genocide in Pakistan since independence. World kept quite because UK kept hurting India using Pakistan. Now over period of time India is the only hope for World and now they have started changing. Great vision of Modi in meeting world leaders on equal terms has also helped.
Pakistan will make a last effort to assert itself by creating some kind of conflict with India but that will be the last war before complete disintegration of Pakistan.
We as a nation should stop discussing Pakistan at all stages and do not keep any contact with them in any form. I would support Baluchistan and wait for it to become independent. Baluchistan wanted to remain with India then why British will not help now because they have a moral responsibility along with India. The principle was those who want to remain with India or Pakistan can do so. If East Bengal can be given to Pakistan then why Baluchistan was not given to India for they wanted that. They were never given the right to choose. I think British must make effort to correct this.
China will eat in to Pakistan by taking over all the wealth that they have then teach them a lesson. China will annihilate the population of Pakistan and then rehabilitate Chinese extra population in that land and it will happen sooner than we think. We in fact should worry about that for present rulers of Pakistan are not son of that soil. Like Shah Alam who gave Bengal Subba to British on contract same thing will the present rulers will do with Pakistan. They are now trying to give Azad Kashmir to China then the northeast provinces and then Baluchistan and finally China will take over Pakistan completely. Why not. I think Chinese are smart.
China does not want a war in this region for this will not serve its interest. If India and Pakistan engage in war China will lose the chance of taking over Pakistan as they did with Tibet. Pakistan is a plum pudding for China to surround India. Having failed in Burma and Bangladesh now it is the turn of Pakistan which is already in the mouth of the Dragon it is just time when it bites. Sad situation created by British.
I am personally not against this policy of China because majority of Chinese population are Buddhist hence not against India. The Communist Party of China is now a corporation interested in Business only hence may not be bad. I think after fall of Pakistan, China and India will become great friends because together they will rule the world economy. US, UK ,Germany and Russia will also join this group. This will be peaceful process but should China think of aggression in to India through Pakistan and Tibet things will be different. In both cases Pakistan will be annihilated.
Aloke Chakravartty
Calcutta
the ideal state is peace. but, peace has to have two players.
for now, there isn’t – purely because it suits the Pak establishment to be at war. A starting point would be to lobby world powers to cut military aid to Pakistan, as much of it is being used against us. And, then lobby, to bring about true change in Pakistan.
A stable Pakistan is in India’s interests. But right now, we are next door to a psycho establishment, who will kill it’s own people in trying to harm India
Very well written. I too have heard a lot from my grand mother, who was a victim of partition. However her version only propagated distrust on any Pakistani. She had gone through the drill of physically being displaced from her house in Rawalpindi. She had seen the hatred and bloodshed on both sides.
However, what you have mentioned about the progress of history of this failed state called Pakistan, is so true and it is high time UN starts the process of terming it as a terror state and also take steps to liquidate the nuclear power which is at danger of going into terrorists hands.
i agree
V well written. I’ve myself never understood this yearning for the other side. Its mostly restricted to the Punjabis. Bengalis, the other community to suffer the trauma of partition, dont have such longings for the other side. Its a different thing that there Muslim population is soaring in Bengal but that can be attributed more to the policies the Left followed to ensure it remained in power. What we have to understand is that, a region might have had a glorious past once, but the stark reality on the ground is v different today. Pakistan has to be dealt with not as a friend but more of a compulsion. Just as we are wary of China, so it has to be for Pakistan as well.
indeed. a common language is not enough, if they are out to cause murder and mayhem in india
Very nicely written article. All level headed people will agree with the writer.d
thank you
Yes, we need breaking up with the past, before 1947. The Muslims living in India must break up with the relations in Pakistan, or, move out to Pakistan for good. Our thinking is not the same, and we cannot be the same people with same culture, language, and food tastes.
this is less about indian citizens, and more about state policy.
Very eloquent article! Well said. I would say if my brother or neighbour doesn’t respect me, is always belligerent toward me, what should I do? Best way is to sever all relationships. I would rather not even have an eye contact! Completely ignore! I fully agree that it is the nostalgia of some people that keeps on drawing us to the ‘friendship’ syndrome! We don’t really need Pakistan, their artistes or whatever! We are happy without. Let’s wow to completely ignore Pakistan for one century. The time lenghth may probably be sufficient to bring them to their senses!
Hi Harini, I’d say you’ve articulated your PoV very well. I’m not one for reacting or responding to articles but there is something that i’ve been hearing on TV channels and opinions from various newspapers etc. So a few things which should be addressed in my point of view.
I do not necessarily say we shouldn’t extend the hand of friendship, but for how long? Gandhigiri might work in Lage Raho Munnabhai, it isn’t working by any stretch of imagination here. We should not go by talk but by what we are seeing them do. For any engagement to happen, we need to have some sort of terms of engagement that both can respect. There are really only two options for India to follow. One is the cynical view that losing a few citizens and soldiers a few times is the least cost and that is the only one which we can afford, so we will live with this; but then, this begs the question, what do we as a nation promise our citizens, not even some basic security to carry on life? The only other option is adopt the posture that can makes it on the same term that they can relate to. By their deeds, the Pakistani side is making it clear that talk and diplomacy isn’t the term that they can respect. So I do not see much of a choice here, although following the only available choice requires political will to carry out (which thankfully the current govt is showing so far)
Next, onto this hot debate of if we should revoke MFN, if we should not allow Pakistani artistes to work here. I do agree with the view that some assorted group cannot come up and threaten them personal harm as they are here on valid work visas (if they are). BUT, the sentiment of the groups and common people cannot be ignored and it is a valid sentiment. Now, as to the question that Salman or Karan Johar raised; no one is labelling them (Pakistani artists) as terrorists or saying that they are supporting the terrorists But it is certainly visible in public that they aren’t condemning the bloodshed either. So tacitly they are stating that they would like to believe the Pakistani narrative (which they have a right to do as citizens of their country). Now, the crucial art is above everything nonsense. I would like to see evidence of art in this case uniting the two nations rather than tearing them asunder. Indian films are routinely banned in Pakistan (even something which makes no political statement like M S Dhoni). Do we see any evidence anywhere where Pakistani artistes stand by Indian artistes and say, no you shouldn’t target them or their movies? No support there either. Finally, irrespective of them being artistes, they do hold a passport and identify with their nation. So, if we do not see a reciprocation of this from the other side, why do we need to be alone in holding this brief for them? There is the other aspect, if you send the artistes home, will terrorism be solved? Heck no, no one is dumb enough to believe that (if Salman was taking us to be dumb). BUT, it definitely sends a message to the Pakistani public on how upset we are with what their state is doing to us and them identifying with that narrative is. Our understanding is that the Pakistani public or for that matter the civilian government has little hold on the goings on, but even so, some measures are symbolic and we mean other measures to bite. I believe a combination of all of these have to be used to drive home the point. We might do more business with Timbucktoo than we do with the Pakis, but we should let them know that for their attitude towards us, we are not willing to do even two rupees worth of business with them. It is not an economic deterrent but a message for the world to see.
Finally, there is only one point which you’ve written which I’d argue with. That is about the Americans being naive. The average American on the street might be ill-informed about the world, but the people in power certainly aren’t. They have just been plain, self serving people (on what they believe should be American best interests). The Americans were far away in the 70s and 80s when they decided to fund Pakistan to create the Mujaheddin to fight the Soviet back regime in Afghanistan and they were not bothered about what it would inflict to the region “because it would not come back and bite them, in so far as they could see”. Post the Soviet pullout in Afghanistan, turning of these trained and armed lunatics against America, they suddenly found the genie they created haunting them. This has worsened since the time they entered Afghanistan and their own soldiers are laying down their lives to a genie that the Americans helped create. So now that they see India having something common to fight here, they are making supportive noises. Lets not forget, India has made a similar mistake in the past too. India helped create LTTE to have a lever on Sri Lanka and in 1987, when Rajiv made the decision of sending in IPKF to Lanka, our own soldiers were under fire from a poisonous entity we’d created. So this blowback is always there. I do hope our government works out a non military way to bring Pakistan to its knees (economic, financial, water and any other levers that it can hope to get) as lasting peace can be in this region only when this poisonous snake (the ones who control the Paki territory) is defanged.
I agree with you. But, my two bits on this – they read the situation wrong when the Soviets walked into Afghanistan. Their blinkers about communism, did not let them see the rise of the radical right in the form for Wahabism. They got suckered, and armed both the Taliban (Mujahaddin) and the Pakistani establishment. The world, today, is paying the price for that misreading.
Excellent article. Let us not be emotional but rather face the facts which are clear from the past experience with Pakistan. I think soft corner for Pakistan was due to vote politics. The sooner we shed this, better it will be. As regards Bollywood, Art has no national boundaries but the actors have.
You may shut your eyes and not see anything happening around you. That does not mean the world around you comes to grinding halt. Your other senses will compel you to take note of what is happening around you and to react to them accordingly. India may shut all its doors to Pakistan but that will not prevent Pakistan from creating mischief, which India can hardly ignore. It is always better to have interaction with your enemy, real or perceived, so that you be familiar with its psyche and have some influence on its next course of action. This is only a glimpse of what you achieve through interaction with your adversary. Creating mutual material interests and some degree of interdependence also helps in maintaining status quo even improving on it.
basic humanism is the stick with which libs/lefts intellectualize and defend hand of friendship. I say, make sure that there is a human on the otherside willing to give consideration to same values as well. A smell test for this is how concerned they are for minorities on their side.After all libs/lefts are at the very forefront of that issue here. Lets make sure that when we offer the hand of friendship, we arent putting it into the mouth of a crocodile instead. Then there are media/intellectuals etc who take part in peace boondoggle trips.Like sudhindra kulkarni. These people have more to gain personally(fame/money/influence) for peacetalks.
its okay to keep peaceful relations with our brothers, but it has a limit if they don’t and never understand what we meant to them then its hard… its time for us to isolate them just for our people. when we isolate them isolate them as a whole then only it works.. bollywood is all about hypocrites. It was a nice article by the author… also just in addition to this We must also regulate the Chinese into our markets (in total its not the pak its china who escalates every thing in this region)
It is indeed a well written article that truely echoes our voice….
Very well articulated. Why are the Pakistanis be it film artistes, be it performing artistes, be it cricketers interested in working with India? This is because of the money involved. The Fawads, the Mahiras, the Atif Aslams or Rahat sahab do not even get a small percentage in Pakistan of what they earn in India.Remember the furore created by Pakistani cricketers when they were kept outside the IPL teams.If IPL can progress well without Pakistani cricketers, our Bollywood film industry can also survive without the imposed nostalgia about shared past.Especially when our artistes are not invited on professional basis to perform in Pakistan.
Secondly when you are speaking of the common people of Pakistan a simple tweet by Asha Bhonsle accompanied by Jai Hind invited lots of hate tweets from Islam sounding names which may imply that the common people are also participants of the propagandas being run by their Governments. In fact Fawad Khan after returning to Pakistan only dwelt upon the narrowmindedness of the Indians showed by the hostility of some as against the love and affection showered by the majority which he conveniently ignored.
As such I agree with the author that we should leave the baggage of memories behind and be indifferent to the cultural contacts from Pakistan as these are mostly based on monetary considerations.
It is indeed a well written article that truely echoes our voice
Very articulate and lucid.
India and Pakistan Time to Forget we were One 🙂
impressive article.
but i think title is explaining itself very well. We can’t forget we were one because past is the only thing which is used to motivate us in future.
I have visited Dhaka many a times. I have visited some of those spots where crimes were committed and have heard many first hand accounts of Pakistani attricities there and the tales of horrors from direct victims (hindus n muslims alike) from ppl in Dhala, Tripua, Assam and West Bengal. Only Hitler’s atrocities could be comparable to Pakistani attrocities and tactics. Very well balanced article. Thank u.
Some Indian intellectuals now a days saying that there should not be boundary for actors, singers, poets, cricketers. My question for them is “Is border made for Army personnel?, Are they fighting for their own shake? ” Even army personnel have no personal matter with enemy country, they are fighting so that our Great land, and people can flourish. Now this is high time to show our army man that whole country is with you. you are suffering due to enemy so we will not welcome any person from enemy country.
I’ll reply you ….